The TC grip I had been referring to was the 'original' that experienced the deep Slash where your hand World wide web rests, it gave rather a bite. The 2 TC's I've now would be the later on (much larger 'humpback' style) grips that handle recoil much better, not a challenge from the 30-30, 35 Rem. and 375 Get. barrels I have.The Bullpup feels excel